Hi Dawn, Thanks for stopping by. OK you …
Hi Dawn, Thanks for stopping by. OK youOct 2nd, 2010 | By Nancy Andrews | Category:
Comment posted on If I want to lose weight, should I do the ‘Classic’ or ‘Lean’ P90X routines? by Coach Nancy
Thanks for stopping by. OK you are clearly an intelligent woman but as regards your body, you are ignoring the obvious. Don’t take this the wrong way, this is very common with women. So let’s start…
First, only you can control your eating. I mean just don’t start with the fatty, sugary carbs if you can’t stop. I get the compulsion factor once you start, I suffer the same myself. That’s why having 1 cheat day a week is so great. You can allow yourself to open up to the compulsion and eat as much as you want. I’ve been know to eat amazing quantities of food on my cheat day with things like over sized crumb cake muffins, an entire box of mac & cheese, butter on Ritz crackers and more. But when the day is done, so am I. To be honest, by the time the day is done, I’m feeling so bloated and sluggish, I look forward to eating right for the rest of the week.
Moreover, what you need to do is to substitute good foods you really enjoy for those you are eating now that are bad for you. For me, a half cup of Oikos brand 0% fat organic Greek yogurt mixed with some Truvia (stevia sweetner) and vanilla extract is really yummy. And it has no fat, very few carbs (about 4 grams) but has a nice serving of protein (12 grams). I love fresh berries. I make a chocolate protein pudding. My list goes on but the point is that you need to develop your own list of foods you get comfort and satisfaction from that won’t work against you. You say you are eating Paleo so I assume you’ve ditched grain products and dairy from your diet? If you haven’t, do so. Typically though if one is eating Paleo, you would not get 40% of your calories from carbs. It would be quite difficult unless you are eating a lot of sugary fruit which you need to dump.
Next, Lean is all wrong – especially given your other exercising. And Insanity will make things worse. Do the resistance and yoga workouts from P90X and do your other activities and that’s it. So in total you should aim for 3 resistance workouts where you lift heavy in the 8 – 10 range (don’t listen to Tony suggestions that women can lift less heavy and do more reps – that’s not going to provide the stimulus you need), do 1 yoga workout and 2 – 3 cardio workouts each week. Doing more does not produce greater results, it produces less results. Sounds like you may have chronically elevated cortisol levels (the stress hormone). That won’t respond well to more cardio than what I’ve listed. Doing Insanity given where you are at right now would be insane. Don’t do it. Once you get your hormones balanced, lose the fat and increase your muscle mass, you could then consider it. Insanity is a program for really fit people. It is not a good fat loss program for most people (despite what they say on the infomercial). Don’t get me wrong, it’s fun and a challenge (I do a few workouts from time to time) but it’s just not right for you right now.
Getting 7 hours of sleep is plenty if it’s good sleep. If you are not getting good sleep, consider adding some Melatonin, 5-htp and/or GABA provided you are not on medication for depression. If you are, you’d need to run these ideas past your doctor to make sure there would not be any interaction with your medication.
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- Hi Kishan,
Classic is always better than Lean no matter whether you want more fat loss or more muscle gain. Resistance training produces a greater change in your body from a hormonal standpoint which is good for both fat burning and muscle growth. Also high intensity training like resistance training (and plyo) will produce a much greater and longer lasting post workout calorie burn. That post workout metabolic increase is much more important than the calories you burn during a workout.
I recommend a good protein shake post workout as your body will be in an optimal state to shuttle the protein into your muscles. If you are looking to primarily grow muscles (versus burn fat) than adding a little carb into the shake is a good idea.
- Hi Laura,
Thanks for stopping by and joining the conversation!
First, Lean is nothing more than a glorified aerobics program which is not what you need. I am P90X certified (which means Beachbody says I can teach P90X to others) and in that training the instructor admitted what I’ve always known – that Lean is not a very effective version – that Classic is the one that works. I am actually a P90X certified instructor and during our training for our certification our instructors admitted what I have always known – Lean doesn’t work nearly as well as Classic. So if you are serious about making changes, go with Classic.
As far as diet goes, I urge you to rethink your concerns. I’m not sure if you are losing any weight at 1300 calories but if you aren’t then something is very wrong with your metabolism and adding in a lot of intense workouts won’t fix it, it will make it worse. Secondly, even if you are losing a few pounds with 1300 calories, that doesn’t mean you should stick to that level when adding in what can be 300 – 500 calories of exertion (and that’s just during the exercise period – post exercise caloric expenditure will raise this even higher). You should follow my P90X diet guidelines (find a link to that article in the upper right hand column), not just for the calories recommended but for all the changes you need to make to your diet to see fat loss. At 1550 calories, you’d still be creating a net caloric deficit when you add in the P90X workouts. And you will be feeding your body what it needs for the metabolic changes to occur. Starving yourself to try to get a few extra pounds lost fast won’t allow you to exert yourself at the maximum you need to bring to spark the metabolic changes you need to get change to occur. Weight loss is NOT a mathematical equation no matter how many times they try to imply that on shows like The Biggest Loser and women’s fitness magazines.
Another key to success with P90X is that you need to focus on lifting as heavy as you can with good form during the resistance training components of the program. Do not listen to Tony when he suggests that women can lift light and do more reps for ‘toning’ – I know he knows better but I suspect he never expected women to really embrace the program. What works for men works for women – lift heavy and you challenge your central nervous system which then triggers hormonal changes. You won’t bulk up – women only have at their height (when you are young) 1/12th the testosterone that men have which is the main hormone for muscle growth. So we need to work harder, not less hard to see changes. Push, push, push and you will see changes.
Finally, you need to focus on your shape, not your scale. Burning fat and adding a little muscle won’t make as big a dent on your scale as it will in reshaping you. Take pictures before you begin and every 30 days and at least every other week take tape measurements. That’s what is most important. Many people see their biggest scale movement at the last 30 days. And, you can and should do more than one round of P90X for maximum results. I saw significant results just on my first round although I only lost 15lbs. But I lost 19″ which is the big victory – not what showed on the scale. By the time I did P90X 3 times, I had a bikini body which I was (and continue to be) so proud of given I was over 50 when I first started P90X and post menopausal when I did the program (post menopause your body’s hormones almost completely shut down so it’s harder to produce the changes).
- Hi Carmen,
You’ll want to do Classic, not Lean. Classic works best to burn fat and add muscle which is what you need to shape up your abs and tone your arms. If you don’t want to lose any weight, just eat more. Follow my P90X diet guidelines but start at 13x your weight for a daily calorie target.
- Hi Trina,
Right now I’m drinking BioChem Whey Protein Isolate which is really good tasting for an isolate and is from hormone free cattle. It’s a bit more expensive than other brands but less pricey than the all natural raw whey I was taking before. I also use Garden of Life’s Raw Protein – vanilla flavor which is a sprouted plant based protein but I have to warn anyone that it’s a lot more chalky tasting than a good whey protein. After that, most brands of protein are fairly comparable. I like Myofusion and Optimum brands and at Walmart the Body Fortress brand has a pretty good tasting vanilla whey.
- Hi Amanda,
Congratulations on finishing week 1 and looking to move forward. Week 1 is the toughest. I have an article on how to eat for lean muscle growth and fat loss over at http://www.pressplayfitness.com/06/my-p90x-diet/. I’d recommend a few more calories – more in the range of 1650 – 1750. The article goes through what those calories should be made up of. Let me know if you have additional questions after you read the article. Thanks!
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Thanks for stopping by and contributing. I think a LOT of us women have this issue but just don’t think it’s sub par health. I know I really had my eyes opened. It’s funny that you mentioned the heat flash because that surprised me too. I thought for sure my temps would go up during on but they don’t. I’m working on a follow up post now that will go into a bit further why most of my added calories have been from carbs.
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Iso Pure is a good whey protein isolate. Since it’s an isolate, it’s VERY quickly absorbed so it’s best used right after a workout. I can’t tell how muscular you are by weight and height but it doesn’t matter if you are trying to lose body fat or increase muscle mass, the protein will help you do both. A rule of thumb is that you need 2 grams of protein per KG of weight if you are just trying to lean up and 3 grams per KG if you are trying to add mass for men. For women, it would be less at 1.5 grams per KG if you are going for lean and 2 grams of protein per KG if you are trying to add muscle.
- My P90X Diet
On the Mike’s mix stuff, if it’s the ‘mike’ version (men’s formula) don’t take more than 1 scoop even though the label says a serving is 2 scoops. Remember that recovery drinks that are 4 to 1 in carbs to protein are best used after a resistance training workout and help shuttle amino acids into muscle. But the also will shut off fat burning which is why you don’t want to take it after plyo, yoga or kenpo.
On the calories, I’d start with 1500 and see how you feel. With resistance training you want to be sure you get enough calories but the P90X nutrition guide calcs too many calories for women typically. Now if you are active on top of doing P90X (a runner for example) then you probably should go higher than 1500. But start there and see how you feel.
I can’t believe you need to lose much body fat at you size which is what the fat shredder plan is aimed at. It’s probably a toss up for you but again, if active, go higher with the carbs than 30% of total calories.
I’m no fan of the portion approach. While it’s just my belief, I think that it’s harder to stay on track with it and if you do get off, it’s harder to figure out exactly what to change to get back on track.
Feel free to ask more questions!
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- My P90X Diet
Great question! If you want to lose weight, don’t ‘eat back’ the calories. Stick with the 10x. P90X is tough but you can do it!!!
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